I get the impression that the Morrison government is slowly moving Save the Great British Bakeoff, Wrong Again: 2020’s Failed Climate Doomsaying, Preventing Ecosystem Collapse: Caribbean Coral Reefs, Australia: Chinese Embargo of High Quality Aussie Coal is Increasing CO2 Emissions, Modern Iceland’s Climate Is Colder With More Ice Than Any Other Time In The Last 8000 Years Except The 1800s, WUWT - big changes, returning to a 'war footing' on climate, Claim: We're Closer to 1.5C Global Warming than You Think, The End of Big Cities? His fight for the truth over the health of the Reef and the need to fact check research papers has been epic. Veuer’s Tony Spitz has the details. Are you sure you want to delete this comment? etc. But sadly, it seems as though the coral in the Great Barrier Reef will continue to die out, as water temperatures continue rising with the ongoing climate crisis, and as marine heatwaves are becoming increasingly more prevalent. Maybe she actually did pull her head out of the sand. Their customers come to see live reefs along the GBR. Similar to what happens at this site. Despite this observed data, if one believes that CO2 causes sea level rise, isn’t that good for the GBR? Bleaching events …are occurring more often’ Could I refer you to the work of Dr. Peter Ridd? You just can’t get a reliable canary these days. The Great Barrier Reef is one of the most celebrated ecosystems on Earth— and it’s dying. What causes bleaching? It’s good to see a responsible minister actually going and have a look first hand. “The cumulative effect of these threats weakens the Reef’s resilience, affecting its ability to recover from serious disturbances predicted to become more frequent in the future,” writes the foundation. Unfortunately, it’s dying. Interesting approach. But it is no longer broad. You mean the islands that are not disappearing? Didn’t Dr. Ridd get some kind of award from his climateering colleagues for criticizing their devious work? The latest surveys show the GBR to be as healthy and abundant as in the 1970’s: https://notrickszone.com/2019/08/19/new-gbr-study-400-coral-recovery-since-2014-with-2017-growth-rates-comparable-to-the-1970s/. Nothing has changed. They need to be put to real work, mining coal, perhaps? It’s the first test of its kind and it could save the dying reef. I don’t know their methodology, and I may have been in a different section, but where I looked it was more like 100% coral cover. Create a commenting name to join the debate, There are no Independent Premium comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts, There are no comments yet - be the first to add your thoughts. If ever there was a big picture guy, there he was. You are mistaking reefs for diatoms, copepods, and other life that build shells to live within. And a stupid politician going oh…no loss of reef…… reminds me of the other stupid people going…… oh… it’s cold today,….. so no climate change. The greater the damage the more impressive the % cover and species diversity during the recovery, after 2 to 3 years from damage (depending on water temp). And pay no attention to that Ridd guy. I believe it is done on Green Is off Cairns but that is a hot tourist spot. Why didn’t all that “carbonic acid” dissolve all marine calcified organisms? Nutrient runoff. No scientist on the face of this planet…has ever been funded….to study nothing is happening here, …and saying it’s dying is the easiest way to be funded to study almost anything, There’s reason all these studies are inconclusive, I was going to say this in a reply to an earlier ‘wokey’ above. So you do know that reefs and Corals require Carbon Dioxide in the water to grow right.”. It’s a problem with consequences far beyond the Australian coast. It does not look any different to 1949. Our battle is Humanist hubris, Jim. I am one of a small and dwindling band of people who have observed the GBR [intermittently] for >60 years. Maybe the Ridd case has had an effect in Aussie after all. The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change. Carbonic acid is formed in small amounts by only a small portion of dissolved carbon dioxide. – Fred Pearce The Climate Files: Common sense. In three days, even idiots would know how the apple crop over a very large area was faring. When you have tourism companies and scientists measuring changes over decades but she thinks it’s wrong because she enjoyed her first scuba dive. Are you sure you want to mark this comment as inappropriate? we need to save the reef or our environmental quality will quickly plummet. You mean the morons went forward with that stupid idea. The bloated global warming industry certainly isn’t going to say “There now, my work is done.”. The sea level around the Australian coast was then about 120 meters lower than it is today. Don’t trust any politician when it comes to GBR. Carbon dioxide forms carbonic acid in water which dissolves calcium carbonate aka many forms of coral and mollusks. More power to her, may her tribe increase. I went and snorkelled at the Great Barrier Reef (Moore Reef) off Cairns a few weeks ago. But if you want to impose your opinion on others, you need to take your opinion to the ballot box where it will gain the attention it deserves. [according to AIMS]. As they told us in 1989, by next year, Europe will be uninhabitable. Its otherworldly colours and patterns will be sorely missed,” writes Jacobsen. PUBLISHED March 21, 2016 Scientists have discovered an unprecedented die-off in the world's largest reef, the Great Barrier Reef, prompting the … Some material from contributors may contain additional copyrights of their respective company or organization. Sussan Ley should recruit more members of her staff to regularly dive on the GBR. Uh, no. Climate changes. Well, before we start handing out compliments let’s see them do something about taxpayer funding of alarmists and let’s see them hold people to account. The National Ocean Service defines coral bleaching as the expelling of the symbiotic algae living in the coral’s tissue, resulting in the coral turning completely white. You’ll also need to learn to tan hides and make your own shoes; or walk everywhere barefoot. The “little, black rock” is playing a huge role in threatening the reef’s existence. Have you ever dived on the Great Barrier Reef ? Sydney Harbour sea level has supposedly been rising at a few mm per year for the past 150 years and guess what? (part of the Red Sea for those who flunked geography) are thriving. Which brings up the fact that most of any civilization is utterly reliant upon fossil fuels for housing, warmth, cooling, transportation, food, clothing, equipment, etc. The existing Open Comments threads will continue to exist for those who do not subscribe to Independent Premium. For permission, contact us. Do nutrient dumps on living coral mean they all die, or does this allow the recolonisation of the appropriate symbiots to enhance the reef. The Great Barrier Reef is ephemeral. etc. Please be respectful when making a comment and adhere to our Community Guidelines. Actually, despite pollution and other human activity, there is evidence that corals in the Gulf of Akaba Anyway, some good news from the politicians for a change. It is home to over a thousand different types of marine life: 1400 types of hard coral, one third of the world’s soft coral, 1,625 species of fish, over 3000 species of molluscs, 630 types of starfish/sea urchins, 14 species of sea snakes, 215 types of birds, 133 different types of sharks and rays, 30 species of whales and dolphins, six out of seven species of marine turtles, and many species still undiscovered. Ours will be called the Plasticene Age from all the layers of plastics everywhere. You would think the huge issue for which warmists demand some countries commit economic suicide would be important enough to allow all scientists’ conclusions to be respectfully examined and discussed. Why don’t you state specifically that the bleaching is due to El Ninos? It is not thriving, nor is it at death’s door. It allows our most engaged readers to debate the big issues, share their own experiences, discuss real-world solutions, and more. Which brings us back to that silly “oh… it’s cold today” ; the alleged basis for claiming Anthropogenic Global Warming” is tracking a global anomaly calculated from a global average. Still, the numbers you cite are only 4% of CO₂ emissions. What is the data? In the last 2 years the Great Barrier Reef has lost over half its coral. I hope the stupidity is a small bump in the road or God help my grandsons. “I’m sure in the near future we shall read public apologies from all the reef scientists who declared the fake climate emergency.” Gosh, you’re an optimist Eric. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! plea And I doubt it even rates a mention in the Australian version of the Grauniad. A total reversal. Nothing to worry about at all.”. Politician- “they’re lying! http://apps.aims.gov.au/reef-monitoring/reef/16071S. Mini-satellites help map Great Barrier Reef 05:31. In fact, each of the 3000 individual reefs, along the entire 2000km length of the Great Barrier Reef, is a 50-100m high plateau of dead coral rubble that has built up over millennia. It looks like your Alarmist scientists may never have seen the GBR quite so close up as Ms.Ley. Laws that Prof Peter Ridd said could decimate coastal towns up and down the state! Do slow and incremental rising of the sea, assist coral reefs to recover as they recolonise dead platforms So it’s hard to believe continued rises would be a problem. World's biggest coral ecosystem suffers its most severe bleaching in recorded history due to warming sea temperatures pdf copy of Graham Lloyd’s article will be asking me in the future what I did to avert the meltdown of the planet. Great Barrier Reef is better than expected: Ley. My observations are that coral will regrow very quickly where ever favorable conditions exist. Just as it has for 4 billion years, minimum. Oh c’mon now Philip. If ‘nutrients [from run off] may be enhanced above natural levels’, does this mean, from a scientific point of view, we actually know the answer to the word ‘may’. We have been told it has been closed to prevent London being flooded many, many times and yet not one picture, among thousands, shows this. Not to mention Tupperware bowls from 1980 which still look brand new in 2500! C Mark Eakin of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the United States explains, “Climate has warmed rapidly in the past years, first making El Ninos dangerous for the corals, and now we’re seeing the emergence of the bleaching in every hot summer.”. **What a load of shit. You can find our Community Guidelines in full here. You are free to make that choice, but if you try and impose it on me, I will fight you with every fiber of my being! Just the same as the thousands of Pacific islands disappearing. The Reef is the world’s largest natural living structure. Wouldn’t it be a better plan for you, John to ignore those renegade scientists who have been studying the reef for decades and don’t see an imminent catastrophe? Steve, https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/04/finally-visualized-oco2-satellite-data-showing-global-carbon-dioxide-concentrations/ The effect is akin to a forest after a devastating fire. “With such extraordinary diversity of life and landscape, it provided some of the most thrilling marine adventures on earth to humans who visited. Joe demands people destroy economies and force other people to use the ever unreliable alleged renewables? Now Madang is almost on the Equater, so the water is nice and warm, far warmer than most of the water on the GBR, and It is a far more complicated process than just saying the sea came up a few inches over the last 30 years (verified by tide gauges) and ignore the much more significant natural processes that build and erode beaches. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/hong-kong-coral-reef-thrives-pollution-151007112117433.html. Stupid citizenry- “yeah! But, it is not. now they have to let people know that the barrier reef is “open for business”. Thus proving this sill person never bothered to read the full account of Ms. Ley visiting the GBR. I respect your opinion and you are free to voice it. ‘I am a climate change sceptic and I firmly do not believe that climate change is going to kill the Great Barrier Reef’ If you actually spent even one day assisting on an apple farm, you’d have a darned good idea how the apple orchard was faring. Oh yes, believe the guys who occupations, funding and belief systems are dependent upon shrilling Great Barrier Reef doom. Not giving the funds to the likes of the JCU may well have happened over the Peter Rudd matter, serves them right. Funny. Reefs are some greatest storage source of Carbon on the planet. While raising three children on a family farm, ten years study led to a senior position at the Australian Taxation Office before entering federal politics in 2001. It is tough for scientists to maintain the fiction that Australia’s Great Barrier Reef is broken, when the government minister responsible for the reef goes and has a look for herself. Put that in your third grade bubble pipe, and swallow soap. It is my opinion, that humans will get ever better at minimizing damaging impacts on our planet, but only if we ensure we have access to cheap reliable energy. There might be an accounting for that. For Sussan Ley to declare the entire reef is fine on the basis of a single dive is a ludicrous as the claims made in 2016-17 that the entire reef was dying. Leon Plus, all of those wind/solar renewable energy systems are 100% dependent upon fossil fueled mining, smelting, refining, casting, machining, transportation, assembly, transportation, installation and ongoing maintenance. The Great Barrier Reef is not entirely dead — it is large enough to support swaths of healthy coral. Storms remove sand from beaches. Ms Ley is too young to score the health of the reef because she cannot know what a 10 score is like. You can also choose to be emailed when someone replies to your comment. Feynman clearly didn’t know what he was talking about when it comes to climate “science”. I have tried to be tolerant of other views but I am sorry this issue is too important to be “nice” and the world is running out of time. John Hutton, These include new water quality regulations for Queensland farmers, calls for better quality assurance Remember the government needs your carbon tax credit money. And she didn’t just look over the side of the boat, like you state. Oh as a footnote, the actions by JCU against Professor Peter Ridd were a disgrace and I was happy to contribute to his defence fund to fight their actions. Right. HAHAHAHAHA! “Today we saw coral that was struggling but we also saw coral that was coming back, that was growing, that was vibrant,” Ms Ley said. In 2016, bleaching killed more than half of the shallow-water corals on the northern region of the Great Barrier Reef. Rule No 1 in science, correlation does NOT equal causation! Thoughtless confirmation bias. The Great Barrier Reef is 2,300 km long and can be seen from space from its position off the coast of Queensland, Australia. The Great Barrier Reef is dying at an unprecedented pace. a couple? I’m more than a little ashamed about what archaeologists will find hundreds of years from now. None of this was by accident. Well john, Feynman made it clear, ” if the theory does not agree with the observations then the theory is wrong”. Or was that a missing /sarc? Predictions that don’t match observations are wrong, whoever makes them. The GBR has been “dying” since 1949 that I know of. Why didn’t all that “carbonic acid” dissolve all marine calcified organisms? The truth is somewhere in between and is not clearly known as the majority of science is being funded by those with an alarmist agenda. There is unprecedented dying of Great Barrier Reef in the past years, with 50% mortality of the reef due to coral bleaching. ”He said it was important Ms Ley had not taken the word of scientists or tourism operators but had “put on the gear and gone under the water to see for herself”. And, he is not even close to alone. ‘Cyclones…are occurring more often? How can she even know if she has nothing to compare it to. Is our constant killing of them by injection of bile with diving teams, actually changing the balance of the reef? She didn’t come down in the last shower eh? I doubt there could be another outbreak like the first in the ’60s, ’70s because there is not enough hard coral to maintain the outbreak. Ms. Ley clearly isn’t a scientist, and her observations should not be construed as those of a scientist. But nobody would listen to them. 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Not sure why anyone would look at a 1980s Tupperware bowl any different in 2500 to how I regarded a beautiful Spanish-Roman glass jug in AD 2000: just as perfect as the day it was made – and a tiny insight into the production methods of the civilizations that made them. To validate your claim that CO2 is threatening corals with carbonic dissolution, can you please explain for us how it was that multiple phyla of marine calcified organisms, both free living and sessile, evolved, thrived and spread around the world during the Cambrian era when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was 20 times higher than it is now? The reefs to the North of Lizard Island got very heavily hit by the last bleaching event as a result of a strong El Nino. May God bless Aussie Environment Minister Sussan Ley, for her forthright declaration of observed facts. https://dailygalaxy.com//?s=great+barrier+reef Except Nature overwhelms mankind causing NOAA to use modeled numbers rather than the satellite’s. This richness and uniqueness make the reef crucial for tourism and the Australian economy—it … I’m not sure many of the Reps will want to step out of their meeting rooms. Most species go extinct and few of them so far have left any trace, as I recall the evidence supporting the idea of a faster rate of extinction presently has been debated here and debunked. Storms aggregate sand onto beaches. If you think a degree of warming is a threat to their existence you need to explain how and why they survived far greater changes in the past. More often than when? Smarter than a grade 5er? “Ms Ley has spent three days touring the coastal area around Cairns speaking to farmers, tourism bodies and reef scientists. Evidence is not there. Right – ignore scientists that have been studying it for decades and go and have a look over the side of a boat in a few places and make your decision based on that. Marine scientist Peter Ridd has begun a speaking tour in Queensland calling for a new body to check the quality of reef research. Loss or accumulation of sand on a beach is only affected very slightly by the small amount of sea level rise over the last 30 years, but mostly a factor of changes in currents, local structures, sea walls, storms, dams, etc. Shame that none of these alarmists have done what she is doing, actually going to have a look! Of course they will fail to indicate the locations of the vast tracts of dying reef that should have been visited. Do nutrients benefit the reef over time and allow robust growth and maturity over time? hence the faster reef recovery of the northern hotter part of the GBR since two devastating cyclones. Might even have a representative of the Media ask them a question about it. As you can see dooming is a personal thing for each of us and you must contextualise your own dooming although probably dooming is more relevant to the corals but I can’t speak for them. ‘The Great Barrier Reef is dying’ claims the Washington Post. Plus there are a lot of scientists who did go visit the alleged dead areas of the GBR and found the same thing that Ms. Lay found. If much of the reef is dying it is unlikely that they would find the one spot that was doing well. Irrational denial of reality. Hypocritically, they whine and carp about other people. COT A real and ever present danger. Government funding for new fossil fuel mining must come to a halt, the Reef 2050 Plan needs to be rewritten, and the country should adopt a climate change policy that would reduce the emission levels by 40-60% followed by 60-80%. Broadbeach in Queensland has been called that for quite a while now. The QUT developed a killer drone years ago but there seems to be a lack of enthusiasm and money to deploy them. God help us I find it had to accept that our so called educated betters are truly that stupid. 02:28. Over what time period?”. Can you explain how sea levels magically rise in one place and not others? Note. now breeding GTC. Just the observations of an old phart who has lived here more than three score and ten. Surprise! Now do the math on the tera-tons of carbon-starved terrestrial and marine biomass still recovering from the last ice age and desperate to reclaim this modern desert Earth back to the lush pole-to-pole tropical paradise they once enjoyed. ** They use some version of a false strawman; I cried in my goggles. We have effectively sped up the processes of this coming mass extinction by no telling how many hundreds of thousands of years by worshipping coal, petrol, diesel, plastics, money, and the list goes on. on Red Sea reefs. Coal is considered a dying industry and it also damages the Great Barrier Reef’s health.The craziest part, though? If the observable has shape (e.g. Alan uses his own specious strawman and pretends it has relevance to the article or the comments. It helps to read the first sentence. Whilst I have not dived on the GBR, I have on the coral reef at Madang in New Guinea. And how is it acceptable and legitimate in any way to conduct phony inquiries led by people who have huge vested interests in the CAGW hypothesis prevailing…and no interest in discovering the truth ….as have been conducted in the UK re the hiding and/or ‘losing’ of raw data and other massive questions re peer review etc raised by the Climategate emails? we are burning a 100 million barrels of oil a day, this produces the equivalent of 250 million barrels”. . Sea level rising as it has since the last ice age, polar ice- doing fine thank you, weather extremes nope, ooh that’s inconvenient. “Today we saw coral that was struggling but we also saw coral that was coming back, that was growing, that was vibrant,” Ms Ley said. For a change, here is an Environment Minister who is not a gullible fool. Over what time period? Interesting that the Environment Minister may be in a position to cut some funding to the institutions which created the scare. His iinitials are N.T. we are burning a 100 million barrels of oil a day, this produces the equivalent of 250 million barrels of greenhouse gases in liquid form so times that by 500 plus times…. There is a lot in this statement. He said it was important Ms Ley had not taken the word of scientists or tourism operators but had “put on the gear and gone under the water to see for herself”. Then why aren’t the levels rising EVERYWHERE??? Fun fact – Sussane Ley changed her name from Susan due to a belief in Numerology (Wiki). So jeering at first-hand observations based on your ill-informed speculations just doesn’t cut it here. Sad people listen to what you say crazy conspiracists. Marine scientist Peter Ridd has begun a speaking tour in Queensland calling for a new body to check the quality of reef research. I would like to think that if only we had done better 40-50 years ago that so much extinction would not have needed to happen. And absolutely nothing to do with attempting to rubbish the science so that her government can continue to mine & burn coal like there’s no tomorrow. However, both claims could be misleading: there is a huge difference between ‘dead’ and ‘dying’. in the last 13,000 years? Some claim the number is 15%, but are unable to prove the number. The percentage of baby corals being born on the Great Barrier Reef dropped drastically in 2018 and scientists are describing it as the early stage of a "huge natural selection event unfolding". Want an ad-free experience?Subscribe to Independent Premium. Climate scientists deny the reality of the natural world we measure to prove a Malthusian presumption of imminent disaster that simply doesn’t happen, and hasn’t happened durng similar changes in the past(clue there) – because they are paid to in their cosy academic lives in Departments of (pseudo) Climate SCience we p are made to pay for. Now to wait for a response from the Labour opposition. If they offer grant money to researchers to find evidence that the GBR is doing fine, then odds are that that is exactly what they will find. Yet I have not heard a single complaint about bleached coral etc. Only studying it for a few decades? Is run off any different now to when the river catchments were burned by lightning strike, firestick or accident release of flame over the last 60,000 years?